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Well, hello, welcome back. I’m so happy you’re here. And I am super pumped for this episode because I have my first podcast guest on today. And she just so happens to be one of my most favorite people in the whole wide world. We have known each other our entire lives, she has been a total inspiration throughout my own personal career journey. And I am so excited for you guys to meet her. She is my sister, Andrea towns, and she is the owner and creative visionary of fractal Lisa designs. I’m gonna let her tell you a little bit more about her company in a minute. But I just have to say that this conversation is so exciting to me because it was really fun to hear her insight in her experience. And hearing her experience made me realize just even more how formulaic finding your career bliss is. It’s not that everybody has the same journey. Everyone has these little milestones that they hit. And so I’m really excited for you guys to hear what her journey was like and to hear our conversation about what those experiences were like. So without further ado, hey, Andrea, thanks for being here. Thank you so much for being my first podcast guest. Okay, why don’t you start off a little bit about what you do what your businesses?

Okay. Hi, Christy, thank you so much for having me and such. I’m so honored to be your first podcast cast guests. So thanks again for inviting me. Oh my gosh, I’m really happy to be here. Yeah.

And our first podcast, guests stuff ever and as sisters, that’s really fun. But also Yeah, very kind of awkward. This is my first podcast period, so I’ve never done a podcast interview or conversation at all. So yeah, so we will get through it. We’ll do it. Yeah, it’s gonna be fun. It’s gonna be fun. Yeah.

So tell us about your business.

So my business is a, I guess you could call it a gift business and a spiritual gift product. I take crystals, and I engrave them with either sacred symbols or beautiful artwork, and, or zodiac signs, things like that. And they make just really beautiful gifts or displays for your altar, really beautiful tools for meditation. And, yeah, it’s been it’s been a runaway success. So I’m very happy to see that my strange little hobby of engraving crystals is turned into what it is today.

Yeah, I know, it’s so fun, because it’s, it’s just been really fun watching you because I watched you kind of experiment with all these things. And I remember the very first time that I think it was like Christmas or something, and you came with like this big giant water bottle, and you’re like, Look what I’ve done. And it was kind of that’s where it started. And then it became crystals. And it’s just, it’s been really fun to watch your journey and you grow. And it’s just really inspiring. And so that’s, that’s why I wanted to have you at the first guest because you really inspired me to do my own thing and figure out my own career path. So yeah, tell us about what, how your career started, like, what did this journey look like for you? Because it’s been like, I don’t think that people realize maybe what it looks like. And so yeah, tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, so yeah, like you said, it was definitely a process. It was a creative process, a discovery process, you know, just kind of experimenting with all kinds of things that I thought were fun or interesting or beautiful, and learning different skills that I thought would be cool to know. And, and so how it started was when I was I had just graduated from college I got a job in like the corporate world. And I knew right away that I was just not cut out for the desk life was not meant to be someone else’s lackey or like work for someone else’s dream. It was just not who I was, and just driving to work. Every day spending an hour to work at an hour from work was just like, so mind boggling to me. I was like, how do people do this for 40 years, I just couldn’t. So about maybe, I don’t know, like six months into my, my first real job ever, I made a decision that this is not what I wanted to do, I will follow my bliss until I find until I make my bliss my entire life like that is literally what I said to myself was I will make my bliss, my life my entire life, it will fulfill me financially, emotionally, spiritually, it will be multifaceted, in and fulfill me in all these different ways. I have no idea what that is. I have no idea of what my bliss is, you know, for the last like, I don’t know, 20 years I had been in school where they were telling me what to study telling me what I like, you know, I didn’t really have a lot of opportunity to explore what really made me happy. And what I found interesting. And so from there, I just kind of started experimenting, I just, you know, at the time, I was really into yoga. And so I took a yoga teacher training thinking maybe I wanted to be a yoga teacher. I also really was interested in, in like, jewelry design. And so I started a I took a jewelry silver smithing class and learned how to do jewelry construction and metal smithing. And I just just played around like it was just such a playful thing. And eventually, through a creative process and, and desire to learn new things I found the machine I found a workspace that offered classes on this machine that I now use for my business. And I was just obsessed. I just became obsessed, I became like hyper focused, it just started playing around with everything another you know, like another creative process of just engraving, water bottles, engraving, Palo Santo sticks, engraving, making signs for businesses, just anything that I could, I thought I could, that I thought was cool. And that I thought other people would think is cool, too. And then before you know it, I’m buying my own machine. And then I’m hiring people to help me make stuff. And like the you know, like eventually, one of my friends asked me, it was in the middle of this creative process of just like discovery, playing around with all these different materials. She asked me if I could engrave crystals. And I was like, Oh my god, let’s find out. And sure enough, certain crystals can be engraved to with a beautiful effect. So I started selling those at farmer’s markets. And it just took off from there, like people just could not get enough of them. So bought my own machine. I started hiring people to help me make stuff I started selling wholesale. And now I have three employees, and I’m about to move into a big warehouse. And yeah, it’s just been quite a journey.

Oh my god, I love that. And I love that. I think it’s so funny because our journeys look very different, but also really similar because I remember you going into that corporate america job and like I think that first of all, we should all think corporate America are showing us exactly what we don’t want because it sucks.

Yeah, totally.

I love that your your tolerance for the desk job for the corporate America was like so low that you were like six months into it. And you’re like, no, this is not going to work for me. Yeah. And so it was almost immediately actually. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I think that’s where a lot of people get you, you know, it’s just sometimes it’s slower because sometimes it’s like not as bad it’s like it’s pretty tolerable and there are good things about it, you learn a lot. But, um, but then you know, I think like a lot of people who are listening this gets to a point where there’s like, I’m doing all the things that society is telling me to do. I’m I’m graduated college, I got the job, I’ve got the promotions. And now what else and I remember the same thought like I can’t believe people do this for their whole lives. Like I don’t write this with my whole life. So I think that’s such an interesting similarity in our in our career path. So I just Yeah, I just think that that’s where People get that’s like the start of it.

Yeah, absolutely breaks. Yeah, totally. And like you said, thank goodness for the corporate world, for showing us that, you know, like that, hopefully, ideally, in the future, we will be encouraged as youths to just follow, follow our dreams and to like, find what makes us happy and give that to the world. But you know, like, and I think in like our generation, we were kind of forced into this into our parents way of creating abundance for themselves, which clearly doesn’t work for us. So, yeah, so yeah, it’s, I think a lot of people have had that same revelation.

Yeah. Yeah. And so I think like, going back to this idea of this creative process in figuring out your career, like how did that look like you mentioned, you went to yoga training? And you thought you wanted to be a yoga teacher? Like, how did you go through those things? Like go to yoga training, and then pay for it? And then decide, like, this is actually isn’t for me? Like, how did you decide that? And what was that process look like a little bit.

Um, so to be really, really honest, a lot of it was like, following. Most of it was following my bliss. But there, I would be lying if I didn’t say that there was a aspect of me that was following the money to, like I needed I knew that I needed to support myself myself financially to you know, and even though I loved yoga, and teaching meditation and things like that, I didn’t see at the time, how that could be incredibly lucrative for me, or support the lifestyle that I desired. And so so I just kind of started you know, at the time I was kind of in like, survival mode a little bit like I needed money, right then and there. And, oh, I forgot to tell mention a really interesting part of my my story. Okay, so sorry to go back in time. But um, so something really interesting that happened. When I had made that decision to follow my bliss. I paid for my yoga teacher training and I was like, okay, universe, I’m doing this, I was planning on keeping my job and just like transitioning out of it, once I found what I wanted to do, but universe had other plans. I went and paid for my yoga teacher training on a Friday, came back to work on a Monday and got laid off. So so the universe was like, okay, we’re doing this now. This is happening now. And and they, you know, it was like, one of the best things that could have happened to me, because I liked unemployment insurance, I got to collect unemployment. Wow, I was doing a yoga teacher training while I was learning new skills. And it was like, it was honestly one of the most, like, beautiful times of my life because I even though it was super scary, I had never felt so supported by the universe. So So yeah, I mean, I was kind of in survival mode, and like, I need money to pay my rent and pay my bills. And I, what can I do right now to make some money, and that was selling, selling engraved products like or selling, selling jewelry or selling intention water bottles, that’s what people were wanted, right then in there, you know, that I could, I could just like, make really fast and flip for some cash. So yeah, so like, like I said, it’s part of it was, was following my bliss. And, and also part of it was, like, out of necessity, I needed to support myself right then and there. Yeah, yeah. And I think that’s

a really good point. And thing to think about, because I feel like there is this, I don’t know, like, people think that you either have to do what you’re passionate about and follow your bliss and be poor, or, you know, work in corporate America and make a bunch of money and be miserable. But I think that like you having that mindset that thought in mind, like okay, I want to follow my bliss, but it also has to include all of these things. Like, that’s what your mind was primed for, and that’s what you kept looking for. And so every single step along the way, you were just Kind of designing this career that you didn’t know what it was going to look like, but you’re just kind of like taking the pieces that work and letting go that didn’t work. And eventually, it got you to this place a place where you were doing something that made you money, and it incorporated a lot of your skills and interests. And yeah, so you really loved

Yeah, and also, at a certain point I needed to edit my life, you know, I honestly, because I had followed all these different paths, and all of a sudden, I had all these different skills, it became too much and I had to look at everything that that I was receiving, or putting out there at the at that time and, and make a decision about which ones were the most fulfilling which ones were the most profitable, which ones were things that I could see myself doing for a long time. And because I knew that if I didn’t make a decision and focus on less than, you know, put put my energy into put more energy into less things, then I would just be kind of like a jack of all trades, and never really get anywhere with any of them. Yeah, they’re

kind of like doing everything and doing nothing at the same time. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And okay, it’s just it’s so fascinating hearing you talk about all the stuff because I it feels like it, it sounds like it came like so naturally to you. Like it was just something that you’re like, I don’t want this in my life. I want this in my life. And for me, it was so different. Like, it was really hard for me to figure out what to do. And I don’t know if that’s just like the messaging that I picked up. But I think I think everybody you know, everyone has like this talent, they have this ability to like figure this stuff out. So naturally and like this is one of your talents to figure this out. So naturally, like, or like me, it was just a little bit harder. And you know, I could tolerate the corporate life and I did work in some really cool places. Like let’s be real. I loved where I worked, but I didn’t know that process. So it’s just really interesting to hear you talk about editing your life letting things go. Yeah, exactly what what actually gave you satisfaction and fulfillment and kind of letting go and the rest and trusting that things will work out kind of going back to you you know getting laid off like I also remember that and you’re just like, I just remember you were so miserable at your work

for the months that you’re there. I was actually there for like a year and a half. Okay, the third half Yeah. So I guess my time I maybe I misspoke. My timeline. Maybe it was like, okay,

so year and a half. Yeah, whatever it was, but it probably felt like eternity. Yeah, I do remember when you got laid off and then all of a sudden, you were so miserable. And then all of a sudden you were like, traveling and free and you’re just like this whole different person. And yeah, like, it was like this job was like tying you down. And then the universe just like cut the strings in your life.

You’re it was world I remember I remember that moment so vividly. Like I was I remember walking down the street. The office was in La Jolla, and I remember walking down the streets of La Jolla just bawling my eyes out and laughing my ass off at the same time. Like just be like, Oh my god, I can’t believe this is happening. Like I was just like, I was just shocked. I was in complete and utter shock that this was happening, you know that I was like, so grateful. Like I was like, startled, like, Oh, my God, I was just laid off like, that should be scary. But I was elated. Like beyond beyond happy beyond excited. It was it was like such a gift.

Yeah. How were there any moments in like that process like maybe getting laid off or like going to yoga, training and then deciding it wasn’t what you wanted to do? Were there any moments in that process that you felt like you had failed? Or you saw them as failures? Like how did you knew those things because I think that a lot of people will look at like, I got fired, that means I failed and I you know, they make it mean all these things about themselves and like their ability to create what they want. And then it kind of just like it follows them around for the rest of their lives. Yeah. And so Was there anything in that process that that kind of held you back or how did you deal with it if it didn’t hold you? Like how did you Oh, man.

Well, I think that’s such an interesting question. And I’m like really kind of surprised by my response to it is because I can’t think of anything That I would consider a failure. I think that when I started this path, I kind of had this attitude of, of like one, failure is not an option. But not in the sense that, that I was so hard on myself that I hindered myself from succeeding. It was more like, like anything that I that doesn’t succeed is just a lesson. And, and I will move on from there, you know, so so one was, failure is not an option, I will not, I cannot go back to square one or back to corporate America, that is not going to happen. So I need to figure this out. And to anything that doesn’t work is just information. So I can’t I honestly can’t really think of anything that I mean, there were there were some times when, you know, like, early in the beginning, people would say they wanted to buy something, and then I would make it and then they would back out on it. So it and but that just was like, like, a lesson in creating better systems for for invoicing or something. You know, it was all just information about how to get, how to get better how to refine my process, and refine my business and make it work better.

Yeah, oh, my gosh, that’s, I think so important. And I think, I think a lot of people like, they do get it in their heads that like, if I fail, it means I’m not good at anything. And I love that your whole mindset about it is just like, it’s that growth mindset, right? It’s like, I’m, I’m learning, this is all stuff. This is just data. And I will do better next time. And you didn’t make it mean anything about yourself or your business. And, and I think it’s really I think, also important to note that it’s like you hadn’t even like thought about it. Until now You haven’t even thought about where you’re like, I don’t think I ever thought I you know, like I asked that question, because I think that for me, and for a lot of the people listening to this, that is what they think they are afraid to go out and they’re afraid to fail. But like what you did was to have this, like, kind of boundary for yourself. Like I’m not going to corporate America, that is not one and two, what was it? What did you say that you did? The second one?

Oh, the second one was reframing what failure was right? reframing anything that did not work as just information on how I could refined things for the future? Yeah. Yeah. So there is one thing that I now that I’m thinking about it, I could maybe have considered it as a failure, which was, but it was actually not, not at all. But I could see how I would judge myself for this was, you know, after my unemployment ran out, I needed to get I needed, I still needed income, because I wasn’t making as much money as I needed to survive yet. So I did get a job at a cafe as a barista. And I was there for two years, for the first two years that I was building my business I was I had another job, but because it was perfect, because it wasn’t one of those jobs that was so draining, where I had to commute to and from work and, and I, I, you know, had to bring my home work or my home, my work home with me. I just like, got to pop in, do my shift and leave and I had the rest of the day to work on my business, live my life. And but I was I was actually kind of self conscious about the fact that I was a barista. You know, like I had, I had a college degree, what am I doing working at a cafe as a barista, like, you know, but it was it was really it served its purpose. It supported me. It supported me for as long as I needed it to until my business could support me.

Oh my god, I love that. And that was gonna be my next question. Because, because I think that that’s so important to think about is, you know, yes, you have this job that you are not going to be in for the rest of your life. You know, that’s not what you’re going to do. But you’re looking at it as like this job serves me and it’s so good for the purpose that it’s serving right now. And I and you saw it as like it fits my life and what I want to do, it serves my business. It serves like what I want to do, instead of thinking like, Oh, this is what I’m going to do for the rest of life, and I’m just a barista, like you didn’t identify. Yeah, it was just like The means to support your dream. Yeah, definitely. That is another thing is like, I think that a lot of people get it in their heads that the job that they’re at is a waste of their life. And it’s wasting time. And they just need to quit right now. But they don’t think about like what it is that is giving to them. It doesn’t they don’t think about like, Hey, could be a job that like maybe I don’t necessarily like, but it’s supporting my life right now it’s giving me sustenance. Yeah. And with the sustenance, what am I going to do? And so I just feel like it’s like, coming from this place of abundance. Totally, you know, like, I have everything I need. I like, what am I going to create next? Yeah, and without identifying, like, this is what I have to do for the rest of my life. But this is the stepping stone to the next stepping stone.

Yeah, it’s kind of like, if you can, it’s really, really powerful to reframe your relationship to that job that’s supporting you, that maybe isn’t the thing you want to do, but it is supporting you giving you the foundation so that you can, it’s taking away the the, the like, the survival mode, you know, so like, I one thing that I think was really beneficial about having that job was that it took the pressure off of my business to succeed. I didn’t feel like oh my god, I have to make this succeed, or I can’t pay my rent, you know, like, there was never that energy around my business. And and I think that having that cafe job was really helpful in that, you know, it, it allowed me to just like, keep having fun with it.

Yeah, oh my god, I love that. Yeah, the having fun with it. And I think there’s so many people out there who are starting businesses, who put so much pressure on their business, and I just think about it, as you know, it’s like a flame. Like, if you have like flames, fire needs oxygen, and suck all the oxygen out, the flame can’t survive. And so, you know, that’s what you were doing is like you were giving that flame, that spark of your business and your passions to just grow and you kept it fun. You didn’t put pressure on it for it to serve you or like, do anything it wasn’t supposed to do at the time. And I just love that. I mean, I think that’s so important. I think it’s also really important. That’s how you create passion. Like that’s how you nurture a passion. And I don’t think that people think of creating passion in that way. They think I have a passion and I’m just gonna go do it. And it’s going to serve me and it’s going to bring all this money, but it’s like, you start you, like, nurtured this relationship with your business, your and with your your career, like because it is your career.

Yeah, you can’t smother the passion or the flame or the business when you know, in the analogy that you’re using, you can’t smother it. You can’t, like, hover over it, and be a helicopter parent and be like, okay, so when are you going to start supporting me? Come on, come on, bring me some money support me. You know, like that. That does not work? Yeah, it doesn’t reciprocate like that. Right? So yeah. Yeah, definitely take the pressure off. Keep it fun. Keep

it light. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that to remember, like, You’re, you’re in this for the long game. It’s not it’s not a short game thing. This is not like a quick, you know, get rich, quick scheme type of thing. It’s like, no, this is this is a career that is serving your life purpose, and serving your life passions, and that is not something that just happens overnight. Yeah. I think also, like, I liken it to a relationship, you know, you meet someone, I mean, I never use Tinder or anything like that. But you meet someone on an app and you go on a date, and you’re not like, instantly, let’s get married, because that would just fall apart instantly. You have to, like, keep dating them and keep nurturing the relationship and watch it grow until you get to a place where you’re like, Oh my gosh, I love you so much. Let’s get married. Like, yeah,

one step at a time. Yeah, totally. You got to do one step at a time. You know, like I I started at farmer’s markets, selling things at farmer’s markets. And I didn’t even have my own booth. I shared I shared a booth with one of my friends who already had a booth. And I just I just put in little tiny investments in my business to see how it was growing and it was just so incremental. You know, it was there were moments where I had like huge growth and exponential growth. But those were those were all predicated on those tiny little steps that I had taken before. Yeah, yeah. And you can just take it at your own pace. Yeah,

I think that’s another thing too is that, you know, we don’t have to make big decisions right away, we don’t have to have giant growth, like growth can be slow, it can be at your own pace so that you’re not, it doesn’t feel like you’re always jumping off cliffs into this big abyss of unknown, it can just be this this thing that you cultivate and grow. And so I love that. Um, so what were some of the obstacles you faced? Were there any obstacles, kind of figuring out your career that were really big for you? And then how did you deal with those?

Yeah, you know, there were there would be like, cash flow issues, being able to pay for inventory. And, you know, and then selling it, and having to use that money to pay rent, and then not having enough money to like, re up my inventory, things like that. That were kind of hard. I think one of the things that has gotten me, that got me so far in the beginning was, I was incredibly resourceful. And I was very good at making connections that were that were beneficial, mutually beneficial. So for instance, one, one way that I would get stones, even if I couldn’t pay for them was I would go into a crystal shop, and show them my product. And of course, they loved it. And they wanted to have it in their shop, and wanted to sell it to their customers. And so I would say Okay, give me 100 stones, I will bring you back 20 stones that you can sell, and I get to keep the rest. And it it works.

It works. Yeah, necessity breeds resourcefulness. I Yeah, I know. And that’s the thing. I was just kind of like a little hustler, you know, make it wheeling and dealing and making bargains and you know, like that, that’s, that’s the kind of grit that that we need. To get started.

I think that we underestimate how resourceful we can be in the times of need. And so especially when we’re thinking about leaving the comfort of a steady paycheck, or going off and doing something new, I think when we first start, it sounds like, I don’t know what I’m going to do if I can’t make rent. But it’s interesting, because if you really ask yourself, have I never been able to pay rent? Most of the time, it’s no, I’ve always figured out how to do it. I’ve always figured out how to sustain my life, how to support myself, and how to find finances. And so it’s just interesting that people forget that they can be resourceful, they will figure it out. If they want something bad enough, they will figure it out. And yeah, and so just having that trust and remembering that you know, I love Marie Forleo is everything is figure out well, because it’s true. Like everything in your life, you’ve figured out, you will figure out how to pay rent, you will figure out how to support yourself, you will figure out health care, stuff, like, here’s something that you want bad enough, if there’s a dream that you want bad enough, you will figure out how to make it totally because you we are resourceful.

Right and also I had an energetic boundary around not being able to pay rent, you know, like I would not let myself not pay rent, you know, so that that definitely lit a fire under my butt for a couple, a couple months. So yeah, having energetic boundaries about like, what you what you need, what you will not allow to happen. The, it’s, you know, combination of your determination to make it happen, and trusting that the universe is going to provide you with opportunities to make it happen. The trick is seeing those opportunities and taking advantage of them. And, you know, benefiting from them.

Yeah. So tell me a little bit about about that. How did you how did you keep your mind open for seeing these opportunities?

I think part of it was like my, my, for a long time. My business was like, it touched every part of my life. You know, it was everything. Any buddy that I talked to at the cafe, they always wanted to know about how my business was, I was always, you know, my, my goal was to like, get out of the cafe. So I was I was just any opportunity that I I had to pitch my business or talk about it with anybody. Anybody who wanted to hear about it, I was right there. Gladly giving them my spiel about What I can do and how I can help them, and hey, let’s make this Why don’t we do this for your business? Like, let’s, let’s collaborate, you know, just being really proactive about creating opportunities for myself.

Yeah. Yeah. So and also, you know, I think we talked about this before, but when you were working at the cafe, you know, you you were talking about your business all the time. Like, that was always the thing you were thinking about. How did you identify yourself? Did you identify yourself as a barista? Or did you identify yourself as something else?

Oh, yeah, that’s such a good question. Um, you know, for the longest time, I kind of had like, this imposter syndrome of like, what what am I my job as a barista? That’s what my, you know, like, my, my tax papers, my tax return says that I’m a server, barista, but like, what, like, if I’m going to really step into what I want to be, I need to start identifying myself as what I want to be. And so I remember this, this moment, really clearly, I was filling out some customs papers. I think it was like, going to Costa Rica or something or Mexico, I don’t remember where. But they asked for my profession. And I almost wrote Risa. But I was I had a moment where I was like, No, you know what? I am a designer. I’m an artist. So that’s what I wrote. And that’s what I was. Yeah, I love that.

How did it feel when you when you just like made that decision? Because it is just a decision to call yourself something. It’s, it’s just a decision that you can make for yourself, and you don’t need anybody to tell you. You don’t have to wait for anybody to do yeah, you are exactly when you’re going off and doing your own business. So how did that Yeah, vision feel?

So it felt so empowering. In the moment. It was, it was just, you know, like, it felt so official. Like, it was like, Okay, I am that now, this is what I am. And of course, like, you know, as time goes by, there’s all these imposter syndrome moments where I’m like, wait a second is, am I really this? Do I can I call myself this? You know, but, but if, if that’s not what I am, if I’m not an artist, or designer than what the heck am I, you know, so, like, I can make up my own name, I actually have made up my own name, and I’m an artist printer. So that’s an artist. Yeah. So because I’m such a combination of all different kinds of things like I, I am a designer, I compile I’m a curator, I curate designs. I’m an inventor, I created this process. I’m also I’m also very interested in in like, learning how to grow a business, learning about marketing, learning about e commerce, and, and learning how to make those things work. to support a business so very entrepreneurial spirit, plus a very artistic spirit. So artists printer, I love

that. Just like a default for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, okay. I just, I love this conversation. And I learned so much from you. And it’s just it’s so fun. Again, like seeing you create your business and watching it

grow. And thank you, I feel the same about you. It’s so cool. To watch you now go through a lot of the same emotions and mental processes that I went through. So many years ago. It’s just really cool to watch you flourish.

I love it. I know and it’s so funny because I remember leaving my job and then I would like call you just crying and it’d be like, I’m, I’m not sad. I’m really happy, but I cry and you’re like, I know, I know exactly where

I get it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was a whole thing. Yeah. Cuz it’s, it is emotional, kind of emotional. There’s so much fear around it. There’s so much. You know, there’s, there’s so much conditioning that you have to break through. You know, digging about like, Am I gonna be okay? Like, I remember having this one moment where I was like, like, I think I was maybe like, two or three years into my business. And I was like, okay, like it. Am I successful? I think I’m okay. I think I’m doing okay. And I just had to, like, reassure myself like, yes, I’m okay. It’s safe. It’s safe to be where you are in your growth in your process. It’s okay, you are,

you’re okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that’s so important to remind ourselves have is that we’re exactly where we need to be at all times. And we don’t need to have the million dollar business right now. It’s, it’s wherever we feel just at the edge of like the comfort zone and, and growth. But hey, you know you’re always pushing yourself but you’re not pushing yourself out of this place of like I have to be better.

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